NATO and the War: No Security for Ukraine? | To the point

It was touted as a NATO summit of superlatives, signaling the unity and strength of the alliance. But how united is the alliance really? There have been a lot of doubts about that of late.

NATO wants to be prepared to counter the new main enemy, Russia, with more money, more soldiers and more weapons. The alliance also wants to continue growing: Sweden will now join.

And Ukraine? Perhaps one day. That was disappointing for Kiev, but it will receive more weapons instead - including banned weapons, like cluster munitions.

This is meant to ensure that the Ukrainian counter-offensive will succeed. We ask: NATO and the War: No Security for Ukraine?

Our guests: Alexander Gabuev, Director of Carnegie Russia Eurasia Centre;

Marcus Keupp, Chair of Defence Economics at the Military Academy at ETH Zurich;

Sudha David-Wilp, Director of the Berlin office of the German Marshal Fund.

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00:00 Intro
01:34 Was the NATO summit a success?
02:30 Will Ukraine be able to join NATO soon?
04:00 The outcome of the summit was within Russia’s expectations
05:30 Russia has no say in Ukraine’s future - aggression is not tolerated
06:30 President Zelenskyy can be happy of this long term support
07:22 Agreement that Ukraine will be a NATO member in the future
09:13 Will Russia be strategically defeated by October?
10:00 Putin wanted less NATO – now he will get more NATO
11:00 Major miscalculation – but Russia is working for the war
12:30 Russia is losing artillery and tanks at alarming rate
13:00 Putin overestimated the capacity of his own army
14:00 Putin still has supporters in China and Iran
15:00 German Bundeswehr: too little too late support for Ukraine?
17:00 Imperial Russia has dangerous interests
18:00 Strong and capable European armies are essential
19:30 Russia knows that NATO has teeth
20:30 Russia wants to destroy Ukraine – but Ukraine will prevail
21:30 For Ukraine it is a great war of independence
23:00 Even if Russia loses in Ukraine – the system might survive

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